Curse

Yukito Kunisaki · Aug 15, 2005, 04:57 AM // 04:57

Ah, we have the know-it-alls talking now.

Any build combo works. ANY build combo works. The game was designed with this in mind...

If you're the type of person who thinks W/X never works, it's due to one thing. You're a noob who doesn't understand the elements of gameplay and refuse to believe there's more than one way to skin a victim...

W/R with a pet you say? That's actually pretty damn good because, the pet possess CHEAP as HECK warrior skills in terms of both energy efficiency and utility....

You're a warrior right? You want a cheap snare? Set off Maiming Strike with Call of Haste. "BUT THAT'S SO EXPENSIVE" you say? Well, Call is 30s. So that energy regen you get in 30s. is obviously worth it. Maiming strike only hurts people who move? Well who's gonna outrun your pet with a 30s. stance/enchantment? [nobody] They'll have to disable your pet from hitting in order for this snare NOT to land... (get the skill mechanic now boys and girls? ^_^)

The warrior can displace himself using his pet. (If you don't know what that means, you can ask nicely or be forever noobed...

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The Pet Elite, Ferocious Strike gives UBER energy and since both of you are melee attackers, one compliments the other. This would be my turn out if I even fathomed something like this... (I didn't test it but in theory it'd be satisfying)

Stats: 10+2 swords, 10+1 Strength, 11 Beast Mastery

Sever Artery
Gash
Seeking Blade
Savage Slash
Ferocious Strike {E}
Maiming Strike
Call of Haste
Charm Animal

The energy from Ferocious Strike will feed Seeking Blade and the other skill strikes quite well. No need for a speed boost or snare since that's what your pet is. A living disembodiement of a snare that is nigh impossible to escape [unless you're fighting a foe who rightfully fears getting hit by this pet.]

combat mechanic: Snare your foes and shut them out of the fight using repeated Savage Slash. Seeking Blade is guarunteed to hit all the time every time [unless you're blinded/hexed] and Bleeding/Deep Wound only adds to the punishment...

Enjoy... ^_^

Zeru · Aug 15, 2005, 05:52 AM // 05:52

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Ah, we have the know-it-alls talking now. Any build combo works. ANY build combo works. The game was designed with this in mind...

This is pure silliness, you know better.

Any build works better than nothing. I'd rather have someone with every possible crap skill than 7/8 people. That doesn't mean that the build works or is good, unless the purpose is to suck.

The strat forums are here to help people get better at the game. Telling them anything works is not doing that all, because some things are obviously better than others, and unless your goal is to lose, running a clearly inferior build is just stupid.

Experiment_Jon · Aug 15, 2005, 07:00 AM // 07:00

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Originally Posted by Vigilante

Noone laughed because you are all stupid and think that W/R is actually a decent build. Mod, please close this.

Until you get Charge, W/R is actually the best running build, since you can just use sprint, stormchaser, and dodge, cycling through the 3. But R/W is just bad. What kind of genius ranger uses a sword?

Epinephrine · Aug 15, 2005, 01:09 PM // 13:09

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Originally Posted by Zeru

This is pure silliness, you know better.

Any build works better than nothing. I'd rather have someone with every possible crap skill than 7/8 people. That doesn't mean that the build works or is good, unless the purpose is to suck.

The strat forums are here to help people get better at the game. Telling them anything works is not doing that all, because some things are obviously better than others, and unless your goal is to lose, running a clearly inferior build is just stupid.

I'd rather have 7/8 people than an idiot with crappy skills. He'll probably aggro things, or use skills that mess up my character..., or put a useless enchantment on me when the opponents have loads of enchantment shattering/stripping, just feeding me damage or feeding my enemies health.

As for W/R being crappy: For ages I have taken the side of those who argue that every character class combo is worthwhile, and I still think that there are reasons for basically any combination - but W/R is one of the weaker combos in terms of what it offers, so you should look at it pretty carefully to see why you want it - after all, many Ranger skills are prohibitively expensive for a Warrior, especially the bow attacks. So you can't use expertise (no attribute), you can't use marksmanship really (skills are too pricey), wilderness survival is possible, but many skills are still pricey there, a few are worthwhile, and then you have pets. Pets are not exactly overpowered, but they seem to be re-balancing pets and I've seen some good pet use. I have a ranger myself with a lvl 20 pet (wolf, I am thinking of getting a new pet, but I don't want to re-level it...) and have played with 15 (11+3+1)beastmastery and 5 pet skills, so I have some experience with them - and they're not bad for PvE - haven't tried them in PvP. I found that I liked being able to use the pet skills constantly, every pet attack was a special skill and the disrupting lunge every 3rd attack or so was handy as heck against any kind of caster boss. Not sure that a warrior could afford that - I did it based on a high expertise score to make it cheaper, but if you were willing to use an elite slot for your pet the energy and adrenaline that the pet generates might be enough. So the only real reasons to have a ranger secondary for a warrior would be from the BM and WS lines. Can it work? Sure, it can I guess - especially in team build depending on having lots of pets up - why not? Is it the most effective use of a warrior? Probably not, but as long as you are playing for fun, that doesn't matter too much, and there may be times/team builds in which it is actually better. Those are the ones you'd want to find

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Originally Posted by Experiment_Jon

Until you get Charge, W/R is actually the best running build, since you can just use sprint, stormchaser, and dodge, cycling through the 3. But R/W is just bad. What kind of genius ranger uses a sword?

Ok - first off: I have a R/W, and I am a bow user, so not all R/W use a sword. Why take R/W? Well, I needed to unlock warrior skills... and it makes for a decent runner, since I have Charge and Balanced Stance. Since I typically run all ranger skills or possibly (at most) 1-2 warrior skills with my ranger skills it really doesn't matter what my secondary is - warrior works as well as any, and gives me access to the skills I need to be able to run with the character. Granted, I am mostly doing it to unlock skills, but since you don't really need to use secondary proffession skills as a ranger, working one skill in from time to time isn't too bad. A long argument about the worthiness of R/W meleers is ongoing in these forums, and while the two sides will never meet, the fact is that there must be a role for the R/W or it wouldn't see so much success. Or the players who make it work are better. But it sure as heck isn't crippling the teams that run it, so it can't be that bad, and my feeling is that it may not be optimal for every role, but is more than adequate at some and may be better than W/* in a few.

Yukito Kunisaki · Aug 15, 2005, 02:41 PM // 14:41

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Originally Posted by Zeru

This is pure silliness, you know better.

Any build works better than nothing. I'd rather have someone with every possible crap skill than 7/8 people. That doesn't mean that the build works or is good, unless the purpose is to suck.

The strat forums are here to help people get better at the game. Telling them anything works is not doing that all, because some things are obviously better than others, and unless your goal is to lose, running a clearly inferior build is just stupid.

There's a difference between "anything works". To "any class combo works". You can be a W/E and have useless skills as well. You're probably one of those people who won't take the time to figure out a battle system for W/R. Every class combo has a battle system of some sort. And there's never only one.

Conjure Ele W/E or Aftershock W/E? Fear Me Echo W/Me or Flourish Blackout W/Me? Smiting W/Mo or Bodyguard W/Mo? High Dmg W/N or Condition/Disruption W/N? Venomous W/R or Wolfchild W/R?

I find battle systems were the skills synergize. If you don't, then you're in the pile with "anything works"... Obviously too lazy to find such a system.

That doesn't mean I know everything, but I'm 100% certain SOMEONE who puts in some brainpowered effort will find a set of skills that'll rip people up in no time.

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To all you new guys who want to find/do something new, go ahead and FIND that something, don't let people who think they've run out of options mess with ya! ^_^